Rhodes made harsh comments at the meeting in Texas with Jason Alpers, who described himself on witness acts as military veteran and co-founder of Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG). What organization played key role in Spread false 2020 election announcements through misleading and inaccurate voting reports machine software.
At the booth, Alpers said he had an “indirect” connection to Trump’s “inner circle,” without elaborating.
This obvious relationship is why Rhodes wanted meet, Alpers testified. He said he recorded the meeting to make sure “to provide information President Trump.” What did he get he said disturbed it’s enough to eventually go to the FBI.
Alpers took rack in sixth week of trial for Rhodes and four other defendants of participate in rebellious conspiracy against United States government. He was one of in last witnesses put on on prosecutors striving prove Actions of the Oathkeepers on January 6th were just one part of attempt to obstruct by any means the lawful passage of presidential power.
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He was accompanied by an FBI agent who presented firearms, knives and tactical gear Rhodes purchased after January 6 – over 17,000 dollars worth according to the testimony – and read the messages in which the former An army paratrooper called him followers prepare for Civil War.
Rhodes was hiding out in Texas, according to prosecutors when he met with Alpers in electronics store parking. Also present was Joshua James, oathkeeper. who pleaded guilty, and Kelly SoRell, a lawyer romantically involved with Rhodes.
As he did publicly before January 6, Rhodes repeatedly told Trump should invoke the Law of Insurrection, which, in his opinion, allow militia groups to stop President Biden from taking over office.
Rhodes told Alpers on a record that if Trump had given up power “he and his family”wind up dead’cause Biden will ‘turn the Insurrection Act against us”. He compared the elections to the overthrow of tsar of Russia in 1917, after which the entire royal family was stabbed.
Alpers testified that Rhodes wrote a similar message. for Trump: “You must use Insurrection Act and use in power of The President stop him. And all of us veterans will support you, like the vast majority of in military”.
Rhodes claimed he was only defending for what he believed would be a legitimate order from the president. But on records, Rhodes indicated that he and his followers would have acted violently even if Trump had not give his approval.
“Here’s the thing, we’re going fight”, — recorded the words of Rhodes. “We won’t let them come for our brothers. Went to fightfight will be ours.”
And if he knew on On Jan. 6, Rhodes said Trump would never invoke the Insurrection Act, he would have gone further that day, including killing the Democratic leader.
“If he’s not going to do the right thing, and he just let me be removed illegal, then we should brought rifles, – Rhodes says on record. “We could fixed it’s right then and there. I’d hang fucking Pelosi from a lamppost.”
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Rhodes in record, also called the riot “a good thing in the end” because he “showed people that we have spirit of resistance.”
But he said that if Trump left office”everyone who was in the Capitol” would be in danger of charging with “criminal offense murder … because someone died.” SoRelle can be heard agreeing: “I know it will happen”.
criminal offense murder applies when death results from the commission of another crime crime.
On the tape, Alpers told Rhodes that he didn’t think Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act. He showed that while it was a question of the law in “circles of electoral fraud”, his impression was based on on Discussion in Trump’s Inner Circle.
Emails released on Wednesday by Trump’s lawyer John Eastman indicate that the issue has been discussed by people close to the president. December 19, 2020 Eastman said unknown Correspondent “Restrain from it pathbecause “it would be lead to a constitutional crisis.
Alpers said he didn’t relay Rhodes’ words to Trump “because I didn’t agree with message.” He also said he was worried about being tied up with these “extremist ideologies” will harm his “relationships and credibility”.
Alpers told The Washington Post last year that, to the best of his knowledge, ASOG had begun their “election rigging”. project after he left company.
On the podcast last year former ASOG employee named Josh Merritt said Alpers tied group Phil Waldron, who he served with Afghanistan. “Alpers performed psychological operations. Waldron took part with psychological operations,” Merritt said.
Waldron, a retired colonel, has visited the White House on numerous occasions. times to share alleged evidence of election fraud; worked directly with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani on law challenges to vote calculated and circulated a PowerPoint presentation before January 6, arguing that Trump could use troops to capture ballots.
Waldron did not respond to a request. for comment.
One ASOG Report on software used in Antrim County, Michigan claimed that found proof of conspiracy for the purpose fix votes. The main claims of the report were immediately refuted by independent experts and representatives of the Department of Homeland Security, but Trump said that it was “absolute proof.” of a scam that will keep him in office for a second term, former advocate general William P. Barr later told congressional investigators.
Alpers said he didn’t do anything at first with record because he “doesn’t want take part”, but what ever in Spring of 2021 he met with federal law enforcement agencies.
“Ask for civil war will on American soil and understanding, being a man who’s gone to war, that’s right, it means blood will be shed on the streets where you are family are,” he said. “It was at that moment that I of step back and i am very kind of the question of whether imposing this on President Trump in in best interest.”
Four days after the meeting with Alpers, records show Rhodes told the leaders of the Oathkeepers that “unfortunately, this is becoming clear that President Trump will not take the decisive action we have urged him to take.” He called group delete all messages related to January 6th and “gathering” against “illegal regime”.
Texts read in court show the other defendants reacted enthusiastically, discussing possible hiding places and weapons to collect.
Emma Brown and Spencer S. Hsu contributed to this report.